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The "normal curve" issue FEB 29 1972 Psych students organize while faculty remain timid While psychology 2410 students are presently organizing to fight the psych department's downgrading of their marks to conform to a "normal curve'" the Head of the Psychology Department Dr. Corcoran has labelled last week's Muse article on the grading issue as "rude" and a "distortion of facts." On those grounds, and the fact that he doesn't "have to explain myself to students, as long as I am meeting the administration's expectations", he refused to make any comment on the issue. Last week's article described a meeting called by disgruntled psych students to decide on some action to combat the arbitrary cutting of marks to fit into a "normal curve." The psychology department has made such cuts in at least two courses given last term: 2410 and 2411, an ETV course. Corcoran was unwilling to identify any of the "untruths" which he maintains appeared in last week's article. His non-committal stand was reflected in the attitudes of the psychology professors the Muse was able to interview. Most only reluctantly spoke to a Muse reporter, and none were willing to have their names used. All denied that they were unwilling to criticise for fear of losing their jobs, though one conceded "the administration might refuse to give us new buildings if we cause too much trouble." All blamed the administration and "the grading system as a whole" for the- troubles, but were unable, or unwilling, to pinpoint where the blame lies. 'The system couldn't get any crazier, and within this structure no matter what we do some students have to get screwed," said one faculty member. Three of those interviewed tried to further qualify this "necessary screwing," saying that psych courses at Memorial are considered "slack." Therefore, by their logic, the administration and the department have to use the normal curve to insure that students who receive A's and B's can get into grad schools other than Memorial. Recently, said one prof, about fifty percent of students who applied for scholarships came from the psych department but "only one of those students was accepted because of the lack of credibility psych courses have." Several faculty members also cited the differences in course requirements that are outlined by individual instructors. Said one, "If I lay out a heavy workload for my students in a particular course and another instructor teaching the same course sets a much lighter workload, then the students I teach could suffer from the lower grades even though they have learned more." Bob Buckingham, one of the chief organizers of the psych students, believes the psych department should use the pass- fail system, rather than giving of specific grades. Dean of Arts and Science Leslie Harris, who Buckingham describes as "very shrewd," says he supports that method of grading. "I have been saying privately and publicily for years that we should be using the pass-fail method." But any such change in the near future is hardly conceivable, and in the meantime students grades will continue to be cut and professors will continue to furtively say the system is archaic, while they silently operate within it. One professor went so far as to privately caution a Muse reporter, who had approached him talking to another faculty member, "never ask a prof what he thinks when there is another prof around, because he'll hesitate to answer when he doesn't know how the other guy feels about the issue." When asked why he puts up with this he said, "It's a job, it's a job." "The other guy" he referred to in this case later told the reporter he can't envision any change in academic freedom at Memorial for at least ten years. But Buckingham and a few others have already started organizing students in Psych 2410 so they'll fight for their original uncut marks. They have also drawn up a questionaire on acedemic freedom and the existing structure for all faculty members to fill out. After the mid-term break the group will hold another meeting to discuss the results of the questionaire and decide on some follow-up action to it. the muse Friday, February 25, 1972 Volume 22, Number 17 Greene and Greeley win with comfortable plurality the losers - stiff upper lip and all that. In what must be a record turnout for a CSU election students have overwhelmingly voted in Charlie Greene and Cyril Greeley as president and vice president of the Students Union. Out of a total vote of 3311 (a 46 per cent turnout), the two polled a plurality of 1130 just over a third of the ballots cast. The second highest ticket, out of a total of eight, was Rod Moores and Blair Bradbury, who received 633 votes. Not unexpectedly, the slate of six Greene—Greeley council representative candidates took six of the ten seats. Elected representatives x with the four highest number of votes were all G—G candidates - Kai, Bath, Fred Gough, Dennis O'Keefe, and Bill Broderick - while the other two G—G runners, Gary O'Brien and John Butt placed seventh and eighth respectively. The other four candidates elected were Bob Cantwell, John Basha, Bob Buckingham, and Brian Clarke. A total of 50-odd candidates were in the running, which, plus the near- wallpapering of the campus with slick posters, probably explains the high turnout. The campaign was not an exciting one, with issues discussed on a superficial level, and very little difference between candidates' policies, except, perhaps the Barn ey Dobbin and Noel Power ticket, which proposed holding a referendum to have the union restructured. Greene, an Arts student, is presently the union's finance chairman. Greeley is a consultant in the Students' Affairs Department and also president of the campus Liberal Club. Like all the other candidates, the two ran on a middle-of-the-road platform, with a basically service-oriented view of the students' union. Some of their major policy points were: To establish a co-op bookstore To further expand the Students' Affairs Department To build a complex including an arena, as well as other student facilities To channel all athletic funds into intramural rather than Varsity sports. The pair have not yet chosen an executive. They say they will chose their executive in consultation with the elected members of council. One of the biggest surprises was the poor showing of the "moneyed" ticket, Garner and Harvey, who only polled 538 votes. The "New Direction" team, of Morris and Baker who among other things proposed a MUN seat in the House of Assembly and a joint committee with the Minister of Education, placed third with 571 votes. Trask and Hiscock were a low fifth with 185 votes. Next were Dobbin and Power with 117; then Fleming and Barnable with 74. McKeever and Pope, erstwhile leaders of the Reformed Silly Party, were reported "quite happy" with their 63 vote last place finish.
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Transcript | The "normal curve" issue FEB 29 1972 Psych students organize while faculty remain timid While psychology 2410 students are presently organizing to fight the psych department's downgrading of their marks to conform to a "normal curve'" the Head of the Psychology Department Dr. Corcoran has labelled last week's Muse article on the grading issue as "rude" and a "distortion of facts." On those grounds, and the fact that he doesn't "have to explain myself to students, as long as I am meeting the administration's expectations", he refused to make any comment on the issue. Last week's article described a meeting called by disgruntled psych students to decide on some action to combat the arbitrary cutting of marks to fit into a "normal curve." The psychology department has made such cuts in at least two courses given last term: 2410 and 2411, an ETV course. Corcoran was unwilling to identify any of the "untruths" which he maintains appeared in last week's article. His non-committal stand was reflected in the attitudes of the psychology professors the Muse was able to interview. Most only reluctantly spoke to a Muse reporter, and none were willing to have their names used. All denied that they were unwilling to criticise for fear of losing their jobs, though one conceded "the administration might refuse to give us new buildings if we cause too much trouble." All blamed the administration and "the grading system as a whole" for the- troubles, but were unable, or unwilling, to pinpoint where the blame lies. 'The system couldn't get any crazier, and within this structure no matter what we do some students have to get screwed," said one faculty member. Three of those interviewed tried to further qualify this "necessary screwing," saying that psych courses at Memorial are considered "slack." Therefore, by their logic, the administration and the department have to use the normal curve to insure that students who receive A's and B's can get into grad schools other than Memorial. Recently, said one prof, about fifty percent of students who applied for scholarships came from the psych department but "only one of those students was accepted because of the lack of credibility psych courses have." Several faculty members also cited the differences in course requirements that are outlined by individual instructors. Said one, "If I lay out a heavy workload for my students in a particular course and another instructor teaching the same course sets a much lighter workload, then the students I teach could suffer from the lower grades even though they have learned more." Bob Buckingham, one of the chief organizers of the psych students, believes the psych department should use the pass- fail system, rather than giving of specific grades. Dean of Arts and Science Leslie Harris, who Buckingham describes as "very shrewd," says he supports that method of grading. "I have been saying privately and publicily for years that we should be using the pass-fail method." But any such change in the near future is hardly conceivable, and in the meantime students grades will continue to be cut and professors will continue to furtively say the system is archaic, while they silently operate within it. One professor went so far as to privately caution a Muse reporter, who had approached him talking to another faculty member, "never ask a prof what he thinks when there is another prof around, because he'll hesitate to answer when he doesn't know how the other guy feels about the issue." When asked why he puts up with this he said, "It's a job, it's a job." "The other guy" he referred to in this case later told the reporter he can't envision any change in academic freedom at Memorial for at least ten years. But Buckingham and a few others have already started organizing students in Psych 2410 so they'll fight for their original uncut marks. They have also drawn up a questionaire on acedemic freedom and the existing structure for all faculty members to fill out. After the mid-term break the group will hold another meeting to discuss the results of the questionaire and decide on some follow-up action to it. the muse Friday, February 25, 1972 Volume 22, Number 17 Greene and Greeley win with comfortable plurality the losers - stiff upper lip and all that. In what must be a record turnout for a CSU election students have overwhelmingly voted in Charlie Greene and Cyril Greeley as president and vice president of the Students Union. Out of a total vote of 3311 (a 46 per cent turnout), the two polled a plurality of 1130 just over a third of the ballots cast. The second highest ticket, out of a total of eight, was Rod Moores and Blair Bradbury, who received 633 votes. Not unexpectedly, the slate of six Greene—Greeley council representative candidates took six of the ten seats. Elected representatives x with the four highest number of votes were all G—G candidates - Kai, Bath, Fred Gough, Dennis O'Keefe, and Bill Broderick - while the other two G—G runners, Gary O'Brien and John Butt placed seventh and eighth respectively. The other four candidates elected were Bob Cantwell, John Basha, Bob Buckingham, and Brian Clarke. A total of 50-odd candidates were in the running, which, plus the near- wallpapering of the campus with slick posters, probably explains the high turnout. The campaign was not an exciting one, with issues discussed on a superficial level, and very little difference between candidates' policies, except, perhaps the Barn ey Dobbin and Noel Power ticket, which proposed holding a referendum to have the union restructured. Greene, an Arts student, is presently the union's finance chairman. Greeley is a consultant in the Students' Affairs Department and also president of the campus Liberal Club. Like all the other candidates, the two ran on a middle-of-the-road platform, with a basically service-oriented view of the students' union. Some of their major policy points were: To establish a co-op bookstore To further expand the Students' Affairs Department To build a complex including an arena, as well as other student facilities To channel all athletic funds into intramural rather than Varsity sports. The pair have not yet chosen an executive. They say they will chose their executive in consultation with the elected members of council. One of the biggest surprises was the poor showing of the "moneyed" ticket, Garner and Harvey, who only polled 538 votes. The "New Direction" team, of Morris and Baker who among other things proposed a MUN seat in the House of Assembly and a joint committee with the Minister of Education, placed third with 571 votes. Trask and Hiscock were a low fifth with 185 votes. Next were Dobbin and Power with 117; then Fleming and Barnable with 74. McKeever and Pope, erstwhile leaders of the Reformed Silly Party, were reported "quite happy" with their 63 vote last place finish. |
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